Did you see Ripp is making an i4 tibby manifold?

[bms231]

yea, there is a thread over on NT about it. what crap. it is for the i4 tibby. they want 35 bux from X amount of people to do it. then one person wins one. they are running it for 60 days. that is the second raffle ripp opened up today. they want people to pay for their R&D. weeeeetaawwwwded. it's like "hey guys, u pay for our R&D and if we make enough money from the reffle.... then we will make a product" or in the case of the block raffle..... sell everyone else's products as your own at a huge profit.



http://www.newtiburon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88674

[KeWLKaT]

well i aint paying for r&d sure enough lol but i'll buy it if the price is right.

[mrphotoman]

I wonder if the manifold will blow up your motor, lol.

Boostology is not exactly hiding the fact they are RIPP now are they?

How much do you want to bet the "winner" will be a secret employee of the company, lol.

[bms231]

haha i am willing to bet a GREAT deal the person who wins is very well known to ripp.

and yea, they arn't really hidnig the fact that they have ripp people on board. they are sleeping with them so i am calling boostology what it is.... ripp. if if they dont like that..... booripp..... or rippology.... the art of ripping people off


honestly, i would NEVER give a company money if they dont have a product in hand. there are too many points of failure. if ripp cant do it (as they often cant) then what.... everyone is out 35 bux? rediculous.

[KeWLKaT]

^^^ my thoughts exactly

[deez337]

Well I say throwing a little money for some new product is good. I mean hell I bought in on an imaginary CF diffuser from FlyRide. And when the price came out higher than what was expected it didnt bother me cause it was something new... But buying Rippology R&D is like buying water by the bottle to fill a swimming pool. Its gonna take alot...

Just my .02

[bms231]

let it be known folks.... i coined the term Rippology... heehhe. i wonder if i should say that on NT and see what happens.

[kellydood]

let it be known folks.... i coined the term Rippology... heehhe. i wonder if i should say that on NT and see what happens.
Instant Ban.

Wow....now they're coming up with new, innovative, and efficent ways of blowing up the I4 guys' stuff; apparently taking out a couple hundred Deltas and Mitsu 3.0s wasn't enough for them.

[PSUsouthpaw]

Yeah, I think thats a load of horse ****. If they want to make a manifold, fine. the I4 guys will be interested in if they make it high quality at a decent price. But they shouldn't be trying to foist their RD costs off on us...that justs proves that they are not that stable of a company, and thus are not really worth buying stuff from.

Very shady that they own NT too, according to their post...who wants to buy from the company that thinks its god?

[mrphotoman]

Their pay for my r&d with a non refundable "raffle" sounds a hell of a lot like what Rick from real used to do when he was ripping everyone off.

To this day I am still amazed that no one sued him over the hoods. I would have flown out there and beat him half to death.

What ever you do, do not say anything bad about rick though or you will be banned!

[bms231]

if i had gotten ****ed out of a hood i would have been the one spear heading the class action. there were TOTALLY enough people for a class action.



but yea.... this "raffle" is a DISASTER waiting to happen. u cant expect ur consumer to front your R&D costs. that is bull****.

[importshark]

To this day I am still amazed that no one sued him over the hoods. I would have flown out there and beat him half to death.

DON'T GET ME STARTED WITH RICK!

http://www.kspec.com/img/item/577_s.jpg
Sounds like they are trying to take advantage of the fact the Air Ram intakes aren't available anymore. I could have one designed and manufactured but I don't have cash for such a project, and not about to ask for donations or have a raffle ............. WAIT A MINUTE ........ everyone send me $35 now and I should have something made by this time 2008 :joke:

[deez337]

OUT of ****ING NOWHERE...............xbox ftw




http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/deez337/xboxpic.jpg

[bms231]

bahahaha. thanks.


but yea...... i think it is redoculous what they are doing

[labmixz]

You guys are complete fking tards...

Truth be told I was the one that said he should develope something for the i4's simple because no one will get off their a$$ to do so here in the USA...

TC @ NGM has his head shoved so far up his a$$ even when I offered him 7k to develope products for the i4 he turned me down (and that was around dec 03' before he did anything that great)...

Then TC showed a little interest in doing some things on the i4 head, he CAME to me telling me he would develope things for it, I said ok, give me a price, no response, several tells sent, NOTHING...

If you're going to ***** and whine about no products being made, then do it, but if your tired of stupid a$$ chit and would like to see something done, then fork up $35 and lets get some chit made that will work worth a damn...

Honestly... I don't know about you people, but I'm tired of seeing people make stuff for the v6 and then completly forget about the i4... all we got is a Alpine Turbo kit and a bunch'a custom ****... Would be nice to have a company r&d and make some products...

(and to top it all off, I dislike a lot of actions from boostology and really RIPP at times, so don't ask me how I got invovled in this... ooo wait I know how, could be because I'm the only person willling to ask for it)

[bms231]

ur turning this thread into something like people are against products for the i4. if you go back and read... u will see it is more about a company taking money for a product they dont have in hand that has the potential to fall through. do u honestly think that if this product fails that everyone will get their money back ? no.

[bms231]

on a side note... i thought u got rid of ur tiburon


also, feel free to say ****, we dont sensor ur freedom.

[nul7]

And to add to this... it's T.C.'s decision to focus more on V6 parts at this point. Why does that make him a bad person or mean he has his head up his ***? He didn't take your money... he declined your offer and that was that. I fail to see how that is a situation worth complaining about? And aside from T.C. who else is making custom fabricated parts for the V6??

There are more parts readily available for the I4 to begin with, so the whole argument is moot. Besides, as bms stated already, this thread wasn't bashing the I4 or saying that no one should make parts for it. It's about the business methods being employed by Rippology.

[Nextgen03gt]

You guys are complete fking tards...

Truth be told I was the one that said he should develope something for the i4's simple because no one will get off their a$$ to do so here in the USA...

TC @ NGM has his head shoved so far up his a$$ even when I offered him 7k to develope products for the i4 he turned me down (and that was around dec 03' before he did anything that great)...

Then TC showed a little interest in doing some things on the i4 head, he CAME to me telling me he would develope things for it, I said ok, give me a price, no response, several tells sent, NOTHING...

If you're going to ***** and whine about no products being made, then do it, but if your tired of stupid a$$ chit and would like to see something done, then fork up $35 and lets get some chit made that will work worth a damn...

Honestly... I don't know about you people, but I'm tired of seeing people make stuff for the v6 and then completly forget about the i4... all we got is a Alpine Turbo kit and a bunch'a custom ****... Would be nice to have a company r&d and make some products...

(and to top it all off, I dislike a lot of actions from boostology and really RIPP at times, so don't ask me how I got invovled in this... ooo wait I know how, could be because I'm the only person willling to ask for it)Hello,

I already have valve train for the I4. The problem is, I really need a car to do the R&D on but I cant afford to tie up my money into it because of all of the parts that you hate that I make for the V6 is where most of my money is right now. ****, if I knew you were going to hand me 7k to do some stuff for your car, I think I would have jumped right on it, but for some reason I cant seem to remember that moment. If you want to support some of the R&D, I have no problem continuing. I will have to admit though, it will be hard to see what I am doing as far as the R&D goes if I cant dislodge my head out of my V6 ***.

Thanks T.C.

[Coolaid]

I don't think I would invest in something that I will not see a return on.. I mean, if I was doing this, I would probably go the rought of offering the lotto thing, but also ensuring that when the product is available, that all those who donated the $35 will get that money back when the product is available IF they purchase it.

I love seeing new parts coming out for our cars, weather it is a V6 or a I4.. More options = faster cars and more attention to the Tibs on the import scene. I'm all for that. I think most will agree with me here.. I just feel a little conserned with the way this is being done.. Most companies that need investment go about it though more common means.. Weather it be lines of credit, or larger scale investors.. Or they put out there own money after market research, and recoupe their investment once their product sells, and gains a good reputation. This is in no way an attack on anyone, just my opinion.

[Vidfinnx]

Lol

[importshark]

I would like to see this intake developed. Honestly, I think this raffle set-up will be trouble.

[bms231]

I would probably go the rought of offering the lotto thing, but also ensuring that when the product is available, that all those who donated the $35 will get that money back when the product is available IF they purchase it.




i really like that idea





on a side note, LOL @ TC. hahaha best post evar. u seem to be everywhere :) i think you have spies all over the world.

[mrphotoman]

LMAO. :bootyshake:

Hello,

I already have valve train for the I4. The problem is, I really need a car to do the R&D on but I cant afford to tie up my money into it because of all of the parts that you hate that I make for the V6 is where most of my money is right now. ****, if I knew you were going to hand me 7k to do some stuff for your car, I think I would have jumped right on it, but for some reason I cant seem to remember that moment. If you want to support some of the R&D, I have no problem continuing. I will have to admit though, it will be hard to see what I am doing as far as the R&D goes if I cant dislodge my head out of my V6 ***.

Thanks T.C.

It never fails to amaze me how jealousy makes people bash TC when he has done more than anyone for the Tiburon. They always resort to bashing him and anyone that appreciates all his help and products when someone makes a truthful statement about a dishonest company or an inferior product.

TC has helped me so many times I can not count them all and his products are the only ones I have on my car that I have had ZERO problems with. My alpine parts on the other hand I have had to grind down, drill out and beat on. Now that is what I call quality craftmanship, lmao.

[bms231]

yea one thing i hate about some other sites is threads often become a "bash on TC" thread. i wont allow it over here. anyone who basically works 24 hours a day does no deserve to be ridiculed or say he is not doing enough for a certain group.


wow this thread really got off track. the bottom line is, the point of the thread was questioning making customers pay R&D up front. nothing more, nothing less.

[streetcreeper]

wow this thread kind of went off topic.
We have a guy doing an intake manifold for us RD's guys on rdtiburon.com an he's not asking for R&D! we just had to send him some stock ones for a blueprint base to go off of. The IM should be ready for us after x-mas. >Richard Pettys Machine Shop is the one who's making it for us. So needless to say its gonna be mint!
Heres the thread http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?showtopic=18361&st=0

[kellydood]

You guys are complete fking tards...

Truth be told I was the one that said he should develope something for the i4's simple because no one will get off their a$$ to do so here in the USA...

TC @ NGM has his head shoved so far up his a$$ even when I offered him 7k to develope products for the i4 he turned me down (and that was around dec 03' before he did anything that great)...

Then TC showed a little interest in doing some things on the i4 head, he CAME to me telling me he would develope things for it, I said ok, give me a price, no response, several tells sent, NOTHING...

If you're going to ***** and whine about no products being made, then do it, but if your tired of stupid a$$ chit and would like to see something done, then fork up $35 and lets get some chit made that will work worth a damn...

Honestly... I don't know about you people, but I'm tired of seeing people make stuff for the v6 and then completly forget about the i4... all we got is a Alpine Turbo kit and a bunch'a custom ****... Would be nice to have a company r&d and make some products...

(and to top it all off, I dislike a lot of actions from boostology and really RIPP at times, so don't ask me how I got invovled in this... ooo wait I know how, could be because I'm the only person willling to ask for it)

:violin:Quit your ****in cryin:violin:

If it weren't for T.C., all us V6 guys would have are a bunch of blown up **** (RIPP) and overpriced junky S/C kits (Alpine). We have FAR less aftermarket support than the I4 crowd. I'm awfully tired of seeing people trash the guy.

Besides, this thread was supposed to be about RIPP's shady business practices, not hating on NGM...

[streetcreeper]

Stay on topic boys. this is about RIPP not any other company. No ones trashing any Tiburon be it i4 or V6. We all drive Hyundai's here Now behave lol:2boxing:

[bms231]

hmm.... i am thinking about kelly as a mod. hmmmmmm.



but yea, i agree with ya kelly. it seems no matter what comes up about the tiburon people bash TC for something. but ya know... that is actually a GOOD thing. ya know why? b/c everyone knows TC, knows his stuff, knows what he does and has out. just means his name is getting around the world which is pretty damn impressive. see, i turn a frown upside down.

[kellydood]

hmm.... i am thinking about kelly as a mod. hmmmmmm.



but yea, i agree with ya kelly. it seems no matter what comes up about the tiburon people bash TC for something. but ya know... that is actually a GOOD thing. ya know why? b/c everyone knows TC, knows his stuff, knows what he does and has out. just means his name is getting around the world which is pretty damn impressive. see, i turn a frown upside down.
:offtopic:
Yeah, and you know what else is impressive? A daily driven 475 whp turbo setup, on pump gas, that knocks down a 12.65 in full street trim with slicks. You can't argue with the numbers, man.

It was before my time, but I have heard a lot of stories about the I4 guys coming over and just blowing T.C. out of the water, when he was first getting started, by incessantly hating on the guy. I have read some old threads where people talk about how the 2.7s would melt if you pushed them past 250 whp or so LOL. ****, we still have RD people hating on GKs over on NT even now. I don't know where that comes from.

IMO, they're both good engines, and they both have their strong points and weak points. There are some 500 + whp DSMs riding around here that put my car to shame, and that engine is similar to the Beta/Beta II. But you can't tell someone they're stupid or they have their head up their *** because they prefer one or the other.

:focus:

[kellydood]

hmm.... i am thinking about kelly as a mod. hmmmmmm.






Do I still get to be the Official Douchebag?

[bms231]

bahahaha. only if u keep speaking ur mind freely :)

[JaredC01]

OUT of ****ING NOWHERE...............xbox ftw




http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/deez337/xboxpic.jpg
* JaredC01 stops reading the rest of the thread and asks where the high resolution pic is at... :spy:

[bms231]

i wont stand for that type of **** being posted on this forum

[bms231]

o wait...... since this thread is already way off topic.....

http://www.ginandjews.com/images/xboxpic.jpg

[streetcreeper]

OMG i just soiled myself :oops:

[streetcreeper]

Heres one for you bem231
http://ginandjews.com/big.php?id=317
She has your name written all over her

[bms231]

Heres one for you bem231
http://ginandjews.com/big.php?id=317
She has your name written all over her


oooo i am imagining that bottle replaced with something else on my body :)

[streetcreeper]

LOL hell yeah

[PSUsouthpaw]

What beautiful women...

[BigT]

importshark i happen to have one of those intake maifolds sitting in my basement...*hmmm maybe i should start a raffle*

TC would it be possible for you to post a picture of your V6 ***? i'm kind of curious

[BColeman]

I agree, a company should not be asking it's customers for investments to develop products for their own good. It smells like :turd: .

I agree that a company should find investors or other alternatives to providing the public with the products they feel the public needs.

I do not agree with the bashing of any company, unless they have proven themselves legitimately to be worthless.

I have no experience with RIPP or NGM, but, from a customer standpoint, basing my purchasing power from what I see and what I've read, NGM has my vote. I'm an Elantra owner, and I suffer just like the rest of the Hyundai community when it comes to performance parts. I look forward to the day (read: 7 or so years from now) where parts for our cars will be a dime a dozen.

I'll have you know, Hyundai's here in Orlando are getting much more streetable respect. Not just from a racing performance (street), but also on the track and in all the performance shops. To name a few: Central Florida Turbo (CFT), Titan Motorsports, and Xtreme Boost (soon to be known as BOSS Autosports).

Back on topic, people choosing to invest in the R&D for an IM is great. More power to them, and I hope that success will happen. Should success happen, I would love to purchase this said IM. Until then, I'll keep my money in my pocket and wait until something is finally developed.

[nul7]

I agree, a company should not be asking it's customers for investments to develop products for their own good. It smells like :turd: .

I agree that a company should find investors or other alternatives to providing the public with the products they feel the public needs.

I do not agree with the bashing of any company, unless they have proven themselves legitimately to be worthless.

I have no experience with RIPP or NGM, but, from a customer standpoint, basing my purchasing power from what I see and what I've read, NGM has my vote. I'm an Elantra owner, and I suffer just like the rest of the Hyundai community when it comes to performance parts. I look forward to the day (read: 7 or so years from now) where parts for our cars will be a dime a dozen.

I'll have you know, Hyundai's here in Orlando are getting much more streetable respect. Not just from a racing performance (street), but also on the track and in all the performance shops. To name a few: Central Florida Turbo (CFT), Titan Motorsports, and Xtreme Boost (soon to be known as BOSS Autosports).

Back on topic, people choosing to invest in the R&D for an IM is great. More power to them, and I hope that success will happen. Should success happen, I would love to purchase this said IM. Until then, I'll keep my money in my pocket and wait until something is finally developed.

Well said... thanks for getting the thread back on topic.

[streetcreeper]

you would think a company like that wouldn't need money for R&D? Im sure enough tibs have bought there product.... so why would they be in need of your $$$

[BColeman]

Like any business, any where in the world, if the MONEY being brought in is not MANAGED, your business will fail. Trust me on this, I've been there.

Someone has a big house, mortgage paid for by the business, etc., etc., and therefore no MONEY to spend on the business.

I'm real good friends with the proprietor/owner of Xtreme Boost here in Orlando, and he has a great business plan. His new shop, and new Company Name, BOSS Autosports, will be in business in a few short months. If it wasn't for him putting everything he brought in back into the business, he would have fallen flat on his face months ago.

He is in no position to custom manufacture performance products however, which is where a lot of companies err when doing business. They think that just because they can install parts, they can make them. They then realize that they've promised a good that they cannot tool, and everything goes down hill. Frank, at Xtreme Boost, he is what he is. He has no problem making a custom turbo manifold, a custom intake manifold, etc. He just requires one thing: Leave the car with him, no questions asked, and let him do his job. Plain and simple. You pay him when he's done. The good thing about a relationship like this with a business is this: You get yours done, show it off to the next guy, he goes there, and gets the same thing. Before long, that business decides it can "mass" produce these things with little or no up front cost and can supply it to the public. This is what RIPP should be doing.

[streetcreeper]

^^^^I agree bro

[metalfetish]

all i have to say is i would like to see NGM do a turbo for the beta2, mostly because alpine has SUCH rave reviews and custom is a little too much debugging for me considering i have to actually drive the car. o and off-topic...i have a sudden urge to go buy an xbox 360....

[kellydood]

The good thing about a relationship like this with a business is this: You get yours done, show it off to the next guy, he goes there, and gets the same thing. Before long, that business decides it can "mass" produce these things with little or no up front cost and can supply it to the public. This is what RIPP should be doing.

Let me toss in my two cents here....

RIPP has such a bad reputation on NT, that the NT staff actually called every RIPP owner on the forum at one time, trying to prop the company up (they're sponsors, after all, and all NT seems to care about is sponsorship money). From what I've seen, RIPP is a company that, to put it bluntly, continually uses it's mouth to write checks that it's *** can't cash. If NT were actually a place where people could openly discuss the truth about such things, RIPP would have been run off long ago. But now the site owner is in cahoots with them....which means that if there were a single shred of objectivity left over on NT, it is now long gone.

That was an excellent suggestion, but word of mouth advertising won't do a less-than-reputable company much good. ****, it's just the opposite; the staff over on NT has done all it can to shut us up about it for the 2 + years I have been a member there. And the people who were the most vocal supporters of RIPP were also either employees of the company, or investors.

I'm sure I just ****ed a few people off, but come on....you can't argue with the facts.

If you people are actually considering donating your hard earned money to a company like that....well, I wish you the best of luck.

[BColeman]

^ very true.

What I meant about the word of mouth thing: A company who sees that they are progressively doing the same thing over and over again will eventually see that it can make money by manufacturing the product and advertising/selling it. For instance, at Xtreme Boost, which in no way am I in cahoots with, just a customer, if every Elantra in Orlando came to him for a turbo manifold, he might get the bright idea to manufacture them and sell them nationally/internationally. Doing so would be great for his business, however, he would not ask his previous customers to invest in the development of said product, escpecially since most of them would already have it. This is all hypothetical though.

At ElantraXD, we don't have site sponsors. We as members support the site. James (SuperGLS) takes donations to help host the site, but it doesn't cost a ton of money to operate the site. We're talking about pennies on a dollar or even less than that. I happen to be a special member there, having donated a sum of money, and in return, I am a Pro Member, with a few special privileges, and some decals. I feel rewarded for my efforts.

Now, after reading this thread, I NOW understand why one of the first posts I ever read on this site was " Oh No, not site sponsors again..". There are problems at NT.com dealing with the sponsors, so I now understand why this question was raised.

It's good to see that the sponsors chosen for this site are reputable: I've purchased from ARK, and so have others, with no problems. I have no experience with NGM, but like I said before, they seem to be very reputable.

My question is: Could we do without Site Sponsors to alleviate any of the NT.com problems from ever happening again? Couldn't the site be hosted at a place that's much cheaper and we just donate to the head administrator or owner of the site for operating expenses?

Just curious, not to get off topic.

[bms231]

the problem with the "other" sites are they ARE a business. CH is NOT a business. we are not in this for making money. just like max was back in the day. he had a dream and setup a forum he ran off of a box in his house. when you are in it for making money, you will do whatever you can to keep your sponsors happy. on this site.... the sponsors have to constantly prove their quality. if the members do not like them.... then the sponsors will hear about it..... from the members.... unsensored. it will then be up to the sponsor to decide if they want to stick around. this site is going to be so big and there are going to be so many members. couple that with the fact that it is a one stop shop for all major hyndais. sponsors will have a very large opportunity to make money. sponsors will have to act wisely and the better they serve the members.... the more money they will make. they have to take the good w/ the bad imo. that is my stance.

[BColeman]

^ agreed.

Thank you for giving this site and it's members that freedom. That is something that other sites, places of business, the world really lack: the freedom to speak your mind. Thank you again for that ability here, and I am serious, not being sarcastic or anything like that. I do mean it, thank you!

[kellydood]

I definately second that! After two years of NT, I was about ready to take my computer out back and shoot the ****er.

[BoostedBeta2]

:violin:Quit your ****in cryin:violin:

If it weren't for T.C., all us V6 guys would have are a bunch of blown up **** (RIPP) and overpriced junky S/C kits (Alpine). We have FAR less aftermarket support than the I4 crowd. I'm awfully tired of seeing people trash the guy.

Besides, this thread was supposed to be about RIPP's shady business practices, not hating on NGM...

Umm ya this '06, not '03, there a hardly any companies producing parts for the I4 anymore. All the companies either robbed a ****load of people, didn't put any effort into marketing their parts or just made garbage. There is 1 company over here producing a turbo kit that will sell it in the US. There is one LSD(SpeedFreak,and it isn't a true LSD, it's a locker). One company sells cams, none selling IM's, one currently still selling I4 header's (OBX....HotShot quit, BSE gave one away and no one has heard anything since). Only luck for the I4 guys is that all of the suspension components, motor mounts, dress-up, and bodykits work for both models. And hating on NGM? Simply stating that he makes no I4 products because he doesn't feel they're worth his time isn't hating, it's the truth. If he was TRULY serious about producing anything for the I4 he would have done it, he hasn't and probably never will. Not that I would support any venture RIPP takes on, but someone has to produce something for the I4's, especially considering the strength of the motor. If the Korean's had any brains at all they'd copy something worthwhile, like boosting the Beta2, since it is contructed the exact same as a 4g63t(cast-iron block, DOHC, 16 valve, same displacement).

[bms231]

i hear ur pain on the i4, but, until TC came along, there was really nothing for the delta. i think tc was putting all of his effort into being the one stop shop for the delta which he has become. i think it is unfair to assume that "he doesn't feel they're worth his time" b/c personally i have spoke to the guy and i know he is looking at them. the secret after xmas sale is for both cars. i think now that TC has 3 of the most bad *** setups out there imaginable for the v6, he may look at doing something for the i4. i think.

[kellydood]

I second that man...someone will come along with some good stuff for the new I4. But it's unfair to trash people like T.C. for having success with the 2.7L, partially because it really was hard earned.

[hammondfra]

I thought the only reason TC didn't make anything for the I4 was because he didn't have an I4 to make prototypes...correct me if I am wrong..but I remember reading about that somewhere a while back. Plus it takes time and money, both of which I am sure are wrapped up at the moment getting everything out the door he has already made for the deltas....but hey that is my .02

[bms231]

ur 100% right

[mac11]

yay for no greedy ****ers and people with half a brain!