i got my new clutch [Archive]

smebyspeed

01-24-2007, 04:19 PM

i got my clutch in yesterday .......

spec stage 5 with high clap option , new flywheel friction surface and all the other little crap..... will be in this weekend and go in for paint the next weekend i hope

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutchdisk3.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutchdisk2.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutchdisk1.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutchdisk.jpg

spec did me good since it was built to order i payed late thursday, they built it friday , shipped it monday and i got it tuesday

hammondfra

01-24-2007, 04:21 PM

sweet...

xxxmonoxidechild

01-24-2007, 04:25 PM

hope you have better luck then the rest of us with the spec clutch's. they have had a really bad past with us hyundai owners. but there have been a few without issues.

smebyspeed

01-24-2007, 04:28 PM

i took the car most of the way apart last weekend to get it ready for the clutch , i pulled all the SC< FMIC and piping off, im going to drive it natural for a week or so untill i paint it , hopefully the first weekend in FEB.

after that ill put the SC back on and see how the car likes 25lbs :eyebrows:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutch12.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutch.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutch5.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/clutch4.jpg

smebyspeed

01-24-2007, 04:31 PM

hope you have better luck then the rest of us with the spec clutch's. they have had a really bad past with us hyundai owners. but there have been a few without issues.

yea i have the older spec stage 3 with the lightened flywheel in it now that held up great when i dynoed at 348TQ but i have surpassed the stage 3 now , it held great for a while but has started letting lose now.

spec has just redone there line of clutches for the tiburon totally , we will see how it goes, they was the only company that has anything to hold the power that i should be making now

streetcreeper

01-24-2007, 05:34 PM

Nice!!!!!!! let us know how you like it

JaredC01

01-26-2007, 09:13 PM

The colors I don't mind, but the chrome rims look a bit odd on our cars IMO.

Let us know about what progress you make :)

smebyspeed

01-26-2007, 11:39 PM

as soon as i get up in the morning ill be doing the install , ill post up pics and all with a update tomorow night (saturday night)

hammondfra

01-26-2007, 11:58 PM

can't wait to see the install pics

nul7

01-27-2007, 11:28 AM

What do they use for friction material in the stage 5?

smebyspeed

01-27-2007, 03:15 PM

^^^im not really sure to behonest^^^

i got my CV axles out and moved the tranny back and got the old clutch out and the new one is ready to go in but i stopped cause of the rain. blah

ill finish up tomorrow and if not im off monday so it will be done then for sure

12secTib

01-28-2007, 10:05 PM

Damn I bet that clutch is sick. Like a light switch its off or its on. :peace:

Types of Driving: Drag, Pulling

For extremely modified drag race and pulling engines, or applications that call for a ‘slipper’ clutch/progressive torque-induced engagement. These clutches are best ordered as custom configured and should be ordered after providing specific information about the car and it’s purpose to a SPEC technical assistant. Not street-friendly due to harsh engagement.
High clamp pressure plate (adjustability available on some applications), rigid iron disc assembly, bearing and tool kit.

On a side note be careful working on it on those blocks. I had a friend almost killed that way.

smebyspeed

01-29-2007, 08:05 AM

^^^^^yea for sure^^^^

back in the day i had a old 280Z and i was redoing all the struts while my cousin redid my exhaust, i also lowered the car somemore while i was under there, i puleed the car around to the front of the house and it was making a scratching sound so i jacked it up and slide under it for a fast look and the car fell off the jack!!!! my head was in the tranny tunnel and the back tire of the car was held off the ground by my chest, my cousin was there and saved my life with his fast action, the doctors was amazed i had a small bruse and no broken bones..... nothing but i stayed the night and went home. i still have flashbacks anytime i go to get under a car and this happened 13 years ago

im about to go finish it up after it warms up a bit more , im a florida boy and cant do the cold

smebyspeed

01-29-2007, 05:27 PM

ill start off with saying if anyone wants help changing there clutch dont call my ***

i started about 8:00 this morning and tryed putting the tranny in by myself untill about 1:00 after changing out the clutch and putting the new surface on the flywheel.

after that my dad came by and helped me and to just get the tranny bolted up was the biggest pain in the *** for some reason. hell if i know why but i just couldnt get it all back together. i got it in and bolted up now , the starters on , 2 of the 3 tranny mounts the CV axles are in but i just couldnt go no more today so i stopped.

here is a couple pics of the old clutch surface on the flywheel, notice all the hot spots from slipping real bad
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0011.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0010.jpg
and heres the new
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0015.jpg

a few old VS new pics
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0012.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0013.jpg

random pic and finally nw clutch bolted up
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0014.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0016.jpg

nul7

01-29-2007, 05:41 PM

That's the only thing I had someone else to do on my car... C/FW/LSD install. I just don't have the patience to do that in a driveway. lol

05GT

01-29-2007, 05:56 PM

The subframe was removed for this correct?

12secTib

01-29-2007, 05:58 PM

Its easy if you pull the motor... Or the motor and trans out the top is how I do it most of the time. Sub-frame removal is a ****ing pain in the ***. Thats why I do it all from the top.

smebyspeed

01-29-2007, 06:00 PM

The subframe was removed for this correct?

i unbolted it on the drivers side and dropped it down.

ill add that i did my motor swap , my SC . built my FMIC by myself and all the piping ..... built countless motors over the years, i dont know if i just had a bad day or what but im never doing a clutch on these cars again. blah

hammondfra

01-29-2007, 06:01 PM

I think that is how shrkbitten (SP) did it on NT...he pull the motor and tranny from the top...

smebyspeed

01-29-2007, 06:03 PM

Its easy if you pull the motor... Or the motor and trans out the top is how I do it most of the time. Sub-frame removal is a ****ing pain in the ***. Thats why I do it all from the top.

yea for sure the motor swap was way easyer than the clutch lol.

if for some reason i must do it again im pulling everything out , i started to do this anyway but didnt. further prof you should listen to that inside voice huh? all except when is says to kill kill kill:beavis:

12secTib

01-29-2007, 07:01 PM

yea for sure the motor swap was way easyer than the clutch lol.

if for some reason i must do it again im pulling everything out , i started to do this anyway but didnt. further prof you should listen to that inside voice huh? all except when is says to kill kill kill:beavis:

lolololl.oloolllol

Nextgen03gt

01-29-2007, 07:55 PM

i unbolted it on the drivers side and dropped it down.

ill add that i did my motor swap , my SC . built my FMIC by myself and all the piping ..... built countless motors over the years, i dont know if i just had a bad day or what but im never doing a clutch on these cars again. blahHello,

Holy crap, you definitely like doing things the hard way, but I guess that builds character. If you ever do a clutch, always pull the motor not the tranny. Much, much, much easier. I had a motor out with the new clutch bolted to it and back in, in 2.5 hours. I was on a mission though. LOL It is so much easier.

Thanks T.C.

smebyspeed

01-29-2007, 08:03 PM

Hello,

Holy crap, you definitely like doing things the hard way, but I guess that builds character. If you ever do a clutch, always pull the motor not the tranny. Much, much, much easier. I had a motor out with the new clutch bolted to it and back in, in 2.5 hours. I was on a mission though. LOL It is so much easier.

Thanks T.C.

yea i guess im just dumb :party:

i was going to call you and let you know i havnt died lol.
i never did get on a dyno cause my clutch died out, blah but she should be up and running soon. its going for where its at now to the paint shop then to get the SC and FMIC back on and will be on a dyno here really soon. they are having a dyno comp at the big vitalsigns show here in panama city next month so it will be no later than that. my guy here in town with the dyno is being gready with it here latly cause hes undermaned:beer:

05GT

01-29-2007, 08:03 PM

Definitely glad I came across this thread before my install. I would have been doing it the hard way also...

12secTib

01-29-2007, 08:22 PM

Don't feel bad, I did it the hard way the first time too... lol

hammondfra

01-29-2007, 09:18 PM

Was it hard to shim the tranny back up to the correct specs?

limetib04

01-30-2007, 05:43 PM

get her dun glenn.

smebyspeed

02-03-2007, 03:36 PM

got the car running today.

but as my good luck goes the fear i had about the through out bearing being wrong came true so i got to go tomorrow and pull the motor out of the car since i found that pulling the tranny is the hard way to do it.

im thinking my cousin james is going to come give me a hand on pulling the motor so im sure we will get it out and back in tomorrow

blah lucky me

05GT

02-03-2007, 03:40 PM

nul7

02-03-2007, 03:42 PM

Damn, that sucks. Sorry to hear that, man. I'm really anxious to see what your car can do once you get everything back together!

smebyspeed

02-03-2007, 10:16 PM

What's wrong with your TB?

the clutch in our cars is *** backwards from the rest of the word and there is 2 little loops on the clutch that the forks fit into and everything has to be set up just right for the forks to hook them and since i was doing it by myself i couldnt do everything at once and i guess i didnt get it lined up just right.

i got my cousin to help me out tomorrow so we should get it done pretty fast.

smebyspeed

02-04-2007, 06:49 PM

i had a pretty good day actually, it started out bad so i had nowhere to go but up , lol

strated out with a flat tire so i had to pull it off, plug the hole and take it to the store and fill it back up so i could move the car around. then i tryed bleeding the clutch just to see if i could get it to work before taking it all apart again , didnt work.

i tryed to just pull the motor but was having troubles, got mad and just pulled everything out of the car( motor, tranny) then me and james got everything out , looked over everything to make sure everything was good and then bolted everything up out of the car and droped it in together. the motor and tranny goes right in the car with no problems at all even with the AC bolted on and both headers.

the cars most of the way back together , just need some oil, bolt the upper intake back on and drop the axles back in. maybe 2 hours tops on everything and she will be ready to go again

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT00042.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT00053.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT00031.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT00061.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0007.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0008.jpg
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/PICT0009.jpg

05GT

02-04-2007, 07:13 PM

What would you say the difficulty level of pullin the motor was?

nul7

02-04-2007, 09:44 PM

Damn out and in in the same day? :clap: What size crank pulley is that??

smebyspeed

02-05-2007, 05:12 PM

What would you say the difficulty level of pullin the motor was?

i have pulled the motor by itself , i pulled the tranny by itself and i have pulled the motor and tranny together and ill by far say pulling everything at one time was the easyest and fasts by far.

i am able to pull the complete motor and tranny with headers , AC as one piece. only thing i had off was the altenator because i pulled it off to get at the CV axle better but it wasnt hard at all

all i can say is DONT TRY TO PULL THE TRANNY BY ITSSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

smebyspeed

02-05-2007, 05:16 PM

Damn out and in in the same day? :clap: What size crank pulley is that??

yea if i would have started earlyer and didnt have to fix the flat tire it could have been all done from start to finish in the same day. if i wasnt in the dirt and actually had air tools it would have been alot easyer

that is the 7.5" NGM pulley

here is a pic comparing it to stock
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/10-02-06002.jpg

smebyspeed

02-12-2007, 09:05 PM

ok heres my update i got the car together and i thought the clutch was in wrong but it wasnt, after pulling everything out the secound time and everything was right. i put it back together the secound time and it still dont act right. i thought i had did an update on here but guess i forgot to sorry.

the clutch pedal works and feels fine but the clutch itself doesnt fully release so at a stop with the car running it will not go into gear , if you turn the car off then put it in gear you can hold the clutch pedal hard to the floor and when you try to start it it trys to drive off even when the clutch is to the floor........... now for todays update........

i talked to dave at smithmotorworks( a local shop that does some work for me) and he said i can drop off the car tomorrow(tuesday)so he can look the car over but i got to thinking and called spec, that guy said that there is no way the flywheel resurface they sent me was to thick and that i should drive the car around untill it breaks in (??WTF??) i explained that i would have to start it in gear and drive it that way untill it started working right(again WTF??) so i started the car in secound gear and drove it around today and just tryed not to stop....lots of fun.... the clutch holds fine and when i hold the clutch to the floor and give it the gas it still speeds up alittle but slips really bad(makes since) and if i rev match it i can change gears.

so what i think we will try tomorrow is im going to make a plate and relocate the slave cylinder closer to the clutch arm since there is about 1/2 inch play between the stock location and the arm so i can get about 1/2" more travel on the arm since the stock movement is only about 5/8" anyway i can get more swing on it and maybe that will work out?????

spec answer doesnt make any sence at all because it is a "race clutch" and i dont see "race cars" drive up and down the roads to get the clutch "broke in" or get on the line and when the light goes green start cranking the car in gear untill it starts and the run the 1/4 mile , lol

nul7

02-12-2007, 09:42 PM

My Stg 4 CM was the same way when I first had it installed. It was nearly impossible to get it into first or reverse and even with the clutch pedal all the way down it was still gripping slightly. I thought it was messed up too, but called CM and they said that was normal and to just drive it. The problem with disengaging went away after only a day or two. It took about a week before I could get it into gear without thinking I'm going to break the shifter. lol

smebyspeed

02-12-2007, 10:11 PM

Boostology

02-12-2007, 10:30 PM

can someone help me out by measuring how far the slave cylinder movers out from clutch all the way out to where it is with the clutch all the way down? mine moves out right at 5/8 of an inch which i am thinking is normal

Glenn, try bleeding the clutch line out maybe you have air in there, otherwise, maybe you need to adjust the free play on your clutch pedal... it may be that when you are pressing the pedal in it is not moving the slave cylinder enough to fully disengage the clutch.

smebyspeed

02-12-2007, 10:35 PM

Glenn, try bleeding the clutch line out maybe you have air in there, otherwise, maybe you need to adjust the free play on your clutch pedal... it may be that when you are pressing the pedal in it is not moving the slave cylinder enough to fully disengage the clutch.

yea i bleed the clutch and then went back and totally drained all the fluid and replaced with new fluids. didnt help out , the car was driving fine with the old stage 3 and i didnt break open the lines at all but i did bleed them anyway hoping it would help but didnt.

thanks though

smebyspeed

02-12-2007, 10:37 PM

The problem with disengaging went away after only a day or two. It took about a week before I could get it into gear without thinking I'm going to break the shifter. lol

about how many miles would you say that you put on it before each of these things happened?

thanks alot:shakehands:

Boostology

02-12-2007, 10:37 PM

yea i bleed the clutch and then went back and totally drained all the fluid and replaced with new fluids. didnt help out , the car was driving fine with the old stage 3 and i didnt break open the lines at all but i did bleed them anyway hoping it would help but didnt.

thanks though

Ok... check the free play on the pedal tho... last time i did my clutch the free play got out of whack and i didnt even touch the nut on the pedal...btw, what Nul said, i also experienced this with my Spec stage 4 when i had that setup... It took about 200 miles to break in and still chattered like a bastard when the car was in neutral and clutch not depressed...

smebyspeed

02-12-2007, 10:39 PM

ill be sure to check that out also, thanks for the reminder about that thing , lol

Boostology

02-12-2007, 10:43 PM

ill be sure to check that out also, thanks for the reminder about that thing , lol

No problem... Hope that's the issue, when it's something so simple like that it really makes me laugh after i've been mad about it for a while because something's not making sense...:happy:

nul7

02-12-2007, 10:48 PM

about how many miles would you say that you put on it before each of these things happened?

thanks alot:shakehands:

I don't put that many miles on my car anymore (I had to use my car at my last job and drove everywhere... now I just drive 7 miles each way to work. I have 24k miles on my 04... ~21k of them were in the first year of owning it), so it was probably less than 100 miles before the disengaging problem went away. The getting into gear problem went away around 200 miles as Tom said, I would guess.

smebyspeed

02-15-2007, 06:03 PM

ok today i built a plate to move the slave cylinder and took some pics. it still grabs like it did so i drove it around some this afternoon and slipped the **** out of it a few times and it seems to have gotten a bit better so i guess im going to go drive it around this weekend and get out on the highway or interstate and get some miles on it and se what happens

here how it sits stock:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/02-15-07_1557.jpg

heres the plate i built, i drilled and tapped it:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/02-15-07_1559.jpg

here it is mounted and all:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/smebysound/02-15-07_1703.jpg

smebyspeed

02-23-2007, 06:30 PM

well my clutch came apart yesterday with right at 400 miles on it, at that point it ws still grabbing at all times , blah , im guessing the through out bearing came apart.......... one thing after another, getting my car on the dyno at this show on march 10th is looking to be imposable

im pulling the motor and tranny AGAIN tomorrow and see what it is and what spec is going to do about it

hammondfra

02-23-2007, 07:37 PM

Well that sucks....

nul7

02-23-2007, 09:12 PM

Damn... no luck on this install!

hammondfra

02-23-2007, 09:28 PM

I think this is mainly the problem with the TIB...the TB is only meant for so much Tq, and some people luck out and have no problems at all...but there are numerous threads I read about how the TB just let go, or shattered, or various other ways it has caused internal issues....I even requested someone send me their old TB, and I would work on getting a better and stronger one made for cheap...remember I am in college, and I have a pretty good resource to get the design and fabrication done...as far as testing goes...hmm, that I don't have.

smebyspeed

02-24-2007, 12:54 AM

i got my old one off my stage 3.

the design doesnt even make sense to me , it just simply snaps onto the pressure plate and everytime you push the clutch it pulls on it ..... just dont make goos sense at all to me

Boostology

02-27-2007, 03:12 AM

I have been waiting for so long for someone to really want a twin disc, lol... Clutchmasters told me they would make me one but there just hasn't been the demand for it. It would convert the clutch type from pull to push, that'd probably solve problems like this i suspect.

smebyspeed

02-27-2007, 06:10 AM

well ill update....

got the motor and tranny BACK out again saturday and everything looked like hell, i boxed everything up and shipped it to spec monday, they are only one day out from me so they will get it today and look everything over and get me something sent back out wensday and ill get it by the weekend for it to be reinstalled.....AGAIN........3rd times a charm???

i might actually get to that show and dyno next weekend anyway